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Captain America - 4000 by Juggertha Captain America - 4000 by Juggertha
Captain America is owned by Marvel comics.

Political rant below, read at own risk....




I'm not American.

I've been to the States a number of times and have been privy to their media for the great majority of my life. I've always felt that in the world, Americans were a nationality I could relate to.

For years they stood on the right side. Through many wars, they took the high road and led by example. Although not always perfect, they were a country to be looked up to both for ingenuity and civil freedom.

In the past years though, my image of America has started to slide away. No, I'm not saying that they've now fallen into some type of hellish pit - nothing so biblical, what I am saying is this: something is wrong.

America is now rolling back its civil liberties. America has waffled on the nuances of what is and what isn't torture. America has become a symbol of hypocrisy instead of freedom.

America is in a war that it entered into under false pretenses... and now, as of a few days ago, 4000 young American servicemen have given their lives.

I hope that sometime soon, America will step back up to its rightful place in the world... a moral leader.
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ursusminor77 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011
I added this to my favorites just for the "rant". I sure wish more people would wake up to what is going on around us.
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MightyMorphinPower4 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010
Exllcent work on Cap and yeah it a shame so many have died
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010
agreed
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scholarwarrior-lad Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Time for Nomad
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Skaramine Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you, Juggs. You echo my sentiments about my own home nation.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010
Glad ya dig it.
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Skaramine Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The picture and the speech - both great.
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KreepingSpawn Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
i'm right there with you. ;)

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this is a pwerful image, with an important message. thanks for bringing this to our attention!!
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2010
My pleasure
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icemouth Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2009
its still nice
but why did you take those grey colours instead of blue on his body??purpose?or something else?
~icemouth
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2009
darken the mood a bit
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RenValentine Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We've given over too much control to a government that, frankly, doesn't give a rat's ass about us. I think Captain America's death is, whether inentionally or not, very symbolic of that...The fact that liberal Tony Stark (I have nothing against Shellhead) was the 'victor' in the Civil War comic speaks volumes for the 'state of the union' if you will.

The girl in the tinfoil hat salutes you and your work.
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flechette Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2008
I live in America and I dont even understand most of the decisions my country makes. I dont support Bush and I dont like his decisions. Hes an idiot and this war is extremely pointless and uncalled for. I also have many friends in the military and I will never understand why. They just want to "shoot a terrorist." Its that type of mentality that has dug America such a deep hole. And Americas leaders know the youth are willing to "shoot a terrorist" and thats exactly why they use Americas military forces to police the rest of the globe. Its stupid... and as an American I refuse to accept such foolishness. Grow up America and take care of your own shit before you tell others how to take care of thiers!
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2008
Lets hope the next few weeks change some of that. ;)
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flechette Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2008
I hope so... for me its almost scary because I will actually feel the effects of the election and it doesnt matter what I do because I do not like or agree with either candidate... assuming youre aware of the choices... Im pretty sure America is fucked and will be as long as politics is all about money and power and not about what this country actually needs
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zSwan Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2008
I don't see why America has to be a moral leader, i mean face it it really never has been. It has never been one sole country's responsibility to show the world the right way to live and go on. America is pouring out rubbish to defend their own flaws. I don't know what you think but i doesn't think that is a proper way to show the way. Look at Americas health care or the way they do their finance politics. The American dream never was and will never be fulfilled. Its a society where the dream is that you can get anywhere in the world as long as you are determined not to fail but i would say that even that is a lie. In a society people needs to take care of each other, the rich and wealthy must stand up for those who cant stand on their own. If you you want a healthy community to live in you need to make some personal sacrifices as long as you can afford them. I don't really buy that talk about having low taxes since then the only thing you get is a society where only those who can afford it will have access to health care and school. I think America needs a total social reform, but hey, that's only my opinion.
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winghead Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2009
Why can't the rest of the world be their own moral leaders? And even while America was a "moral leader" for years, there was still apartheid in Africa, and Communism in Russia and China and Vietnam. The rest of the world wanting America to lead them in morality shows the weakness of the rest of the world, not the weakness of America. That's like the mother who is angry at Britney Spears for not being a good role model or a father being angry at sports hero for the same. Are you serious? America is a Republic running as a Capitalistic society, nothing more. More pragmatic than "moral". The rest of the world has access to the Bible in their own languages if they truly want to live morally. Blaming America for the world's morality is a cop out, like a kid being a criminal simply because he was brought up in the slums. Everyone has a choice and a responsibility all their own.
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flechette Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2008
I do agree with you... but dont make the mistake of thinking America actually likes it that way... its all in our government and the citizens rights have been and still are slowly being taken away... Its hard to turn around now because of that... and politics are all about how much money you have... and in America only old white men have money... and that disappointing... because most of them are ignorant, stubborn, and selfish... and thats why people see America the same way...
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abloggingape Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2008
:+fav: its crazy cuz you never see campy superheroes in there time of weakness and capt america was very pro-america golden era campy. even though he has a very strong stance you can almost feel the pain from the loss of 4000 on the expression of his face.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2008
Glad you got a cool sense of this pic.
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AirborneNinja Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2008
He looks weary.
Honestly I started to tear up.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2008
Wow, that's a nice comment.

Thanks man.
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Hydrothermia Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008
An unfortunate statistic that appeared on my birthday, and being from the US, I understand your sentiments more than you might imagine. Our problem lies within our government not our people, and may of us are starting to get fed up with it, but without money our demand for what is right has gone unheard.
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tehxenocide Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008
This kind of thing is exactly why Captain America is dead.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008
80
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tehxenocide Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2009
very belatedly

that is not to say your point of view is not valid

but rather that captain america was killed off because too many people wanted Captain America to take 'their side' in the political mess of modern US
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Red-Rook Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2008
I am American, and I have to say, I think you're being lenient in your judgment... Americans are not as morally sound or as just or caring as they seem. For the most part we're selfish and xenophobic. I completely agree with you though. I can honestly say that politically America is falling apart. Not because the people are any worse than they used to be (all politicians are horrible, worthless, monsters) but, because those in charge have stopped even caring whether or not they "seem" like they're doing the right thing. They don't even care anymore if the terrible things leak out, just because they feel so strong, that no one will oppose them (given the publics general apathy and lack of self respect).

I could go on and on, but I can say this. I am glad Captain America died in a way. Even if he was one of the greatest of all time, his death signifies the truth about America. We are killing off our own sense of morality and goodness for the sake of the all mighty dollar and lack of caring. We are choking ourselves with our own greed and taking the whole world down with us.

I'll just end this rant here.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2008
"I think you're being lenient in your judgment" true, true. I personally like the quote "America does not have friends, it has interests."
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Fatalist555 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I completely agree with you, and admire the balls you have for stating your own opinion. i don't think i would be brave enough to, but i'm glad there are people out there who will. It's really sad for how far our country as regressed... it makes me sad to see that this hell hole is what our children will be growing up in. hopefully the new election will bring new beginnings... and hopefully and end to this shitty war.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2008
Yeah, I'm not really all into the anti-McCain bit, but I'd like to see someone other than 'the old white man' take office for a change.
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Fatalist555 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You said it. :nod:
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hulkdaddyg Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008  Professional General Artist
Yeah, Juggy. Yeah.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008
Thanks for the fave on this man.
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icyhugs Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with u totally, USA used to be like Superman, Captain America and Wonder Woman that we can look up to but seems like the the archangel is losing his wings, or, has lost his wings, which is very very very sad and a shame.
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arkhampatient89 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2008
I've been watching your stuff for a while now, and most of the time I read your artist's comments, but usually any comments I ever make are about only the artwork. This time is very different though, not only do I LOVE this piece, I could not agree with you more about your views on America, and as an American I am sad to say that I am embarassed by my country's actions in the past few years, and that it is opinions like yours, worded honestly and respectfully, that I hope will reform this country and make it see the atrocities that it has been taking part in.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
I'm glad you thought my comments were honest and respectful.
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ZipDraw Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
hopefully things change but im not liberal just yea i say look for binladen since they said they were in the beginning and leave thats it. but i guess there are other matters at work that i cant comprehend. but RIP captain America :salute:
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2008
I'm hoping things will change too.
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GammaGirl Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
I love my country

I fear my government
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2008
Interesting.
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lilwassu Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Not gonna get into the political part of it, but I really love Cap's expression. The overhead lighting was a perfect choice. Very poignant.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Thanks.
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Teikiatsu Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
This is a very powerful and emotional piece Juggertha, and I won't go into the commentary on your use of the components because I'm posting that discussion elsewhere. Your art is as always top-notch and I am intensely jealous of your talent.

This is more of a response to your political rant.

I know you and I don't agree on the direction that we percieve America is heading in, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You say you are gaining your opinions from our media, and in my opinion that is your biggest mistake. Our news media is not strictly news anymore; they have become more weighted to commentary and telling people what they *think* we want to hear. I believe your image of America is being influenced by these less-than-unbiased sources.

America is *still* on the right side. Our activities in the Middle East are focused towards maintaining the moral high ground, and not turning away or retreating from an enemy who declared war on us decades ago. This is not a war of false pretenses, this is a war of cultures, ideologies, faiths, and civilizations. This is a new type of war that is still being defined. As such, it is very easy to believe we are on the wrong path, but our options have been limited more as our enemy will not be ignored, will not placated nor negotiated with, will not fight under the banner of any nation, and does not recognize or follow the Geneva convention. I'm sure the British fighting America in the Revolutionary war felt they held the higher moral ground by following the rules at the time; if you'll notice it did not help them win the war.

In short, this is a war we must fight with new tactics, new weapons, and on new fronts. Those 4000 names are men and women I greatly respect and honor for their sacrifice towards our rights as human beings. I can't say I agree with your use of them in this piece as they willingly volunteered for the service that put them in harm's way.

America is not rolling back our Civil Liberties, but we do understand that the very freedoms we hold dear to our hearts make us vulnerable in these dangerous times. We are not giving them up yet we are feeling the price of the responsibilities our freedoms hold on us. Whenever I hear about losing my civil liberties I have to ask how I have lost them, I am just as free to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as I was before 2001. I have run across no one in real life who can truly tell me what liberties they have lost in America, and point to tangible examples.

I understand if people want to flame me for my views, that is your privilege won by those same 4000 people and hundreds of thousands of others like them across the decades and centuries. Just know that we all mourn for them the same, we all hate to see even one life extinguished. Freedom isn't free; it requires payment in the blood of those willing to give their lives for another, even another who disagrees with their mission.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Thank you very much for your well thought out post Teik - it's appreciated. I'm hoping that no matter the thoughts or sides expressed, that we're all able to keep a respectful tone here.

Just so I'm clear on something, and I've said this a few times, this is not an Anti-America or an Anti-War piece per se. This is more an expression of my sadness towards some things that have been happening to with and to the US.

You've stated that your civil liberties have been the same from 2001 until now, but I have to ask; has everyone's? I mean, perhaps you've never seen it/experienced it, but is it not possible that others have?
When I think about water-boarding, or holding 'enemy combatants' without trial (including American citizens), it makes think something is askew.

I find your opinions on a 'cultural war' quite interesting (quite along the lines of Huntington). If it is true, and firmly held by this administration (and perhaps the whole US), why not simply declare it? Why not declare a war on Islam? What about a war on the Middle East? Why the need to conjure up mushroom clouds and supposed threats to American soil? (from Iraq)

If you honestly believe that the US is on the right side all of the time, I have to ask you though... have you ever lived overseas? I'm in no way saying that the US is wrong... or always wrong, but to say that it's on the right side is quite the step in my opinion.

Whether we look at Israel, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, or any other conflict the States has been in in the last 100 years, IMO ALL of them have multi-faceted sides.

If you believe that the US is still on the moral high ground... that's your call. But if you wonder why the rest of the world is not feeling the same way, maybe reading through some of this might help you understand.
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FLINT79 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You have to have morality to be a moral leader, and thats something this country has lost in the last decade or two.

An interesting piece. I don't agree with you, but a well thought out idea.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Thanks Flint.
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iggzy Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Brilliant piece, great art, and all to true point.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Thanks Iggzy.
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VoteRoslin Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
very cool!
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Thanks.
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