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States by Juggertha States by Juggertha
The daughter of Statesman and Maiden Liberty from City of Heroes - her names is States and I hope you all like this pic.

Edit: I hate to do this to my own work, but at a certain point, enough is enough.

This piece was originally requested in January and finished (and posted) on Jan 22nd). I emailed the high-rez copy to the requester and expected payment promptly. 3 months later now and still no payment. I have given them various options for payment, including sending me a similarly priced item through the mail - and 3 months later, still nothing. In fact, I no longer get responses.

At this point, I have given up and am writing off the commission. I am posting this version of the piece as a message.. mostly to myself, but also to any other artists out there.

I have always stood up for the 'buyer' and cringe every time I hear about an artist taking money and not giving the art (one particular 'company' comes to mind). But from an artists perspective, it can be hazardous too.

Feel free to comment with your thoughts on the matter here - this piece is no longer a ';piece', but rather a message.

Can ya dig it?

-Juggy
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:iconjasonsweeney:
JasonSweeney Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
shitttyyy....i always get payment up front...just how i do it
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:iconmellissandria:
Mellissandria Featured By Owner May 20, 2011
Um, as someone who watches her pennies, I prefer to pay up front, whether it be in points or cash.
Mostly because I have a phobia about being on a list like that!
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Stormwrek Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2010
It is a shame that people would make you waste your hard work like that.I hope things go better for you with your commishions in the future.
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Artistic-dribbles Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2010
you sent them the high res, they ran off with it. It happens (I learned the hard way)So now I always do half down and half upon completion. I dont mail the art untill second payment is received. and if they want to see the finished product before paying I send them a very small image like this one with a massive "SAMPLE" across it. Havent had a problem since. Also if they dont pay then I sell it..

You could also openly state who it is. would warn other artists and possibly make him cough it up to avoid a bad rap.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2010
yeah, this is an old piece - I've changed my policy now.
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Artistic-dribbles Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2010
:D awesome. Hope things go better for you in the future :)
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als609 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2010
I'm really sorry to read that, it sucks that people can be that way.
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Larissa-Rasputin Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
I saw that someone named States has been posting on the boards again lately. Don't know if its the same person or not. There weren't any links to the persons characters or anything. One does wonder though...
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
Oooh, I'll have to keep my eyes open.
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:iconlarissa-rasputin:
Larissa-Rasputin Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2009
you could probably do a search for them somehow.
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Thrythlind Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009  Professional Writer
Speaking as a patron, I never expect work to be started until I make a payment. In fact, I've had a couple of instances where an artist has started work while I thought we were still in negotiation and didn't tell me until he was almost finished. I paid for both pieces, but haven't worked with those artists again.

Which is an odd way of sympathizing with given you're dealing with jerks from my side of the arrangement.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
No, I think your example of (lack of) communication is perfect.
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TheMaskedShrike Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
Really a lovely piece, and a damn shame you got stiffed. Hopefully the person will do the right thing. As a commissioner, while I am always flattered when an artist doesn't ask for payment until the work is done, I prefer to pay at least something up front. That way we all know where we stand and can be more relaxed during the process. While I've been very lucky, I do have a couple of paid and still outstanding pieces that may never be done. Lesson learned, though at a price. Good for you that you're protecting yourself now. It's a shame when trust isn't reciprocated.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
yeah, I've always tried to think of it from the customer's side... but that's hurt me a few times.
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:iconmulv:
Mulv Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
It's a crappy shitty thing to stiff someone on work. I hope you get yours.
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DORMWORLD Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
Crazy piece, are they 3 single pieces brought together or its all one piece?
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009
Just one
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:iconfig:
fig Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Did you take half up front?-Thats what I do. If they tell me "Well I want to know what I am getting before I give you money" which I kindly reply with "Go to my website or deviantart account. You should see my range of skills there and what I can do." That sucks though man, theres nothing worse than working on something and then just waiting on the client for money only to have them ignore you. You should create a list of clients who have stiffed you in the past so that you don't even reply to them in the future.
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EdWilliams Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
This is mainly why I don't do commissions or rarely commission. I have a policy for when I do commissions. I will not take payment until I am at 50% complete with the project. At that point I will give the customer a W.I.P. image. If all goes well, I'll start finish the other 50% AFTER I have received full payment. This way, I know that I'm getting paid and the customer knows that he/she is actually GETTING the art and it isn't up there in limbo.

Great piece though man. A shame you had to go through something like this.
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Chizel-Man Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pretty Damn Awesome piece you have here man. I hate knowing this stuff happens.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2009
yeah, I was pretty dissapointed having to cover it up.
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:iconchizel-man:
Chizel-Man Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know you were man
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MarDun Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2009
If they paid through paypal, I would submit a claim to them. They might be able to get your payment?

As for your poll, I would keep trying to get the payment. In the end, I would post the person's name (if ok with Deviant agreement/rules).

Great pic but too bad with what is happening with you?
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PsychoSlaughterman Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2009  Professional General Artist
yeah that is a sucky situation, so far i haven't ran in to that problem, dunno if it's the way i work or if i just got lucky with my customers but i hope that you don't run into this problem again
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SparkStudios Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2009  Student General Artist
Bastards.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2009
lol
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leohirok Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2009
Just like working for a friend, unless the money is in my hand I ain't doing it. Now if you take money you're obligated to do the work and if you don't then you better pay them back or it's curtains for you see. But yea, I fear getting stiffed so I always do cash in advance now.

Same with when an artist offers to start the commission for me, I'm always trying to give them their money well in advance just to cover my own ass lol. If I get stiffed, I live and I learn, but I'd rather it happen to me then someone else, you know?

Still I say screw that person for stiffing you Jugger. You deserve way better and they should be ashamed.
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krrackknut Featured By Owner May 15, 2009
I Can Dig It!
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Pandora114 Featured By Owner May 14, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I never commission an artist unless I KNOW I have the money up front, even if it's just %50 one month, and %50 another month.

I'm steamed for ya Juggs
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DouglasShuler Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Juggy, I'm with you 100%. I was recently stuffed as well, and it's rough feeling like you delivered and the customer just disappears behind the annonymity of the internet. I no longer do art unless it's paid in full up front. You should do the same.
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2009
Yup, I'm getting strict from here on out.

Sorry to hear you got stiffed as well - tough to avoid I guess.
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TaintedMESS Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2009
Looks ace from what i can see of it hope you post up a unmarked version at some point in the future.

As to the paying for thing personally speaking if i was commissioning something i would be more than happy to pay at least part of the cost up front as a kind of deposit and then pay the finale part before i receive the goods. after all that's how most of these make something for some one things work be it a wedding cake or professional photos why should charachter commissions be any different.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2009
good point
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bigmaka Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2009
too bad the requester didn't pay up man, it looks like a great pic from what's shown.
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Thornster Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2009
Sorry to hear that Juggy !
Really sucks, especially since (but not only because ... ) it's such a fine piece.
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:icondualmask:
Dualmask Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
It may have hurt my chances at getting a lot of commissions, but I adamantly refuse to take on a job without getting some money up front. Usually, it's the whole payment, but I've done half and half in the past. I figure, if you're so untrusting that you refuse to pay before seeing art, then you're too untrusting to be trusted.

It's a shame this happened, but that's why contracts are important.

And the artwork is great. I like the characters' poses and the shiny floor.
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AngelCrusher Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2009  Professional Filmographer
Damn man, this is a shame! I got screwed on the other end being a client commissioning an artist who didnt deliver, so it is dangerous from both ends. I prefer taking the money first, or at least work up a rough version, then show the client the WIP and then they pay up. Once I get the full money then I finish the piece.
Hope you dont have any more trouble man.
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Henleycp Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
Shame about the art on this one, Juggertha. I've met the particular player online... And yes, the artwork is incredible. The only reason I haven't shopped for art is because 1) I'd rather have the funds to afford quality art, and 2) I still haven't decided which costume I'd rather have made... hehe.

All in all, good work.
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angbayani Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
Sorry you got stiffed. The guy is pretty shifty in my opinion. He did steal published art (from a pornographic comic no less) and try to claim it as his original character drawn by his "brother", no less.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
yeah, when I saw that thread... well, it made me wonder.
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angbayani Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
yeah, imagine if he ended up doing all those art trades?
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vnbenedicto Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i never send the finished piece until fully paid. after all, if we don't come through with it, our reputation is at stake. while the commissioner can simply change his/her identity/account...
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
yup, that's how I do it from now on.
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slippyninja Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
i feel for you man, definitely a shame you could do something as nice as that and they stiff you. keep up the good work and keep your head up.
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iggzy Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
That's cold, not paying you after getting the work. As much as I hate seeing you covering up your art I totally agree with you
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:iconjuggertha:
Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
yeah, I'm trying to send a bit of a message with this one.
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Greyle13 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
I really feel for ya Juggy. I have my own problems with M____t about a commission I paid for and to date still do not have.

I don't know what the answer is unfortunately on how the business/customer should deal with this problem.

What I do know is that the artwork you posted is great!
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Electagonist Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
pity to cover it up but the Message has to get out there.
states has 2 fairly large crosses against her name now, if we wish to dredge up the Susan steel incident. which i do not. it was gross. ewww.... I wish I hadn't thought of it.

anyway.
thanks for the warning juggertha. me being new in this crazy little game of artz and being fairly trusting this is a wake up call to me and anyone who works commissions that not everyone can be trusted. its a huge pity that you had to get swindled for this though juggy.
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Larissa-Rasputin Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
What I'm used to as a commissioner is that I pay half upfront (or all if it's a really cheap commission) and then give sketch approval and *maybe* a very low res, watermarked color preview (not necessarily finished) and then I pay the other half. Then the artist sends me the high res or original piece. You may try that. You could ask for all of it upfront, you have a fantastic reputation for getting things done. The only way I would ever pay a lot of money upfront would be if the artist could get the work done within the 45 day paypal claims limit. That way, he/she gets the money and I get assurance that if the work isn't completed that I still have options.
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Juggertha Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2009
I always get it done in under a month
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